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South African farmers

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  1. Atlas

    Atlas Administrator Staff Member Survival Class Instructor

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    I wonder if SA will go the same way as Zimbabwe after they did the same thing? went from being the breadbasket of Africa to a basket case!!
     
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    Most likely. The real question is, can this happen outside of Africa?
     
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    not so much, it seems to only happen where their was once white rule which eventually becomes a black majority rule.
     
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    Looking at the USA. It has an agricultural base which is predominantly driven by very big farms.

    Our smaller, family owned farms do contribute some to the total food production. I don't have actual numbers to justify that.

    Unless our "native American" tribes decide that the South African (SA) model would work for them, here, I don't see the same thing happening. I Do see it likely that we could lose much of our farm production because the fuel and transportation infrastructure is needed to deliver the produce.

    In a few years, the South Africans will feel the loss of their farm production because the people who take over farms are lacking in farm skills and experience. When the "farmers" don't make money, they will stop working the farms and the SA society will collapse.

    Farms are being seized now:
    South Africa begins seizing white-owned farms

    Another factor in SA is mining. The income from minerals is also a large factor in keeping the country afloat. The reports I'm reading say the miners are being hurt by increased regulation and declining ore stocks.

    http://www.miningweekly.com/topic/south-africa
     
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    Atlas Administrator Staff Member Survival Class Instructor

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    I had forgotten about the mining down there. That really is going to be the straw that broke that camel's back.
     
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    The first farms have been seized, but interestingly, unlike Zimbabwe, the land has not been handed over to black citizens. I have always believed this is a power/landgrab by the ANC and the land will remain in government hands.
    I also think twp has a point and the appropriation of these farms has been selective and speculative where minerals might be present these areas will remain under govt control and the unsuitable land will be rented out for farming to the blacks. Thus ensuring a steady income for the government and showing the populace that the govt is keeping it's promises.

    It has already happened outside of Africa. The cleansing of Jews from Germany and other European countries by the Nazis has a lot of similarities, jealousy, racism and violence have been cultivated both by the Nazi party and the ANC.
     
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    If the SA mining industry is used as an example of government control, the expectation for farm production is dismal. They (SA) are driving out the people who have the skills and experience. With whom will they replace them?

    If the ANC retains ownership of the farms and rents them out to farmers, the incentive to do any more than simply cover their costs is lost.

    I'm not optimistic for their future.
     
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    Atlas is shrugging in South Africa.
     
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    I just hope the displaced farmers can escape.
     
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    Prepping lesson....
    Know when to hold em.
    Know when to fold em.
    Know when to walk away.
    Know when to run.

    It's probably past time to walk away there.
     
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    I think the ANC is using the first two confiscations to pressure the rest of the farmers to accept their buyout offer.
     
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    I would take it and run.

    Like I said, let him shrug.
     
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    twp Moderator Staff Member Survival Class Instructor

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    All of SA will suffer when the farm production fails. I expect it to happen 'real soon now'...
     
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    I hear that Australia is opening up for these people now.
     
  17. lonewolf

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    its not the SA government who will be working these farms, its ordinary black farm labourers, so I DO expect it to go the same way as Zim.
     
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    I fear those farmers will not be allowed to leave, at some point.
    Those banks will not be able to get any payment from the government either.
     
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